Coffee Talk (and Tea)

I had time to set up a little quasi experiment with the filters. Started with one cupping brew and then split it evenly through two V60s, one w/ T90 and one w/ Abaca. Marked the cups on the underside and tasted blind. This is a Colombian castillo natural microlot with a prominent artificial candy note (think Jolly Rancher or Kool-Aid).

Result: No discernable difference between them. That said, they were absolutely disgusting. Immersion brews are pretty much always a mess for the types of coffees I drink. Reminds me of Campbell’s vegetable soup broth. Heavy and soupy mouthfeel with muddled ā€œearthyā€ flavors. The wild candied note was barely perceptible to the degree that if you didn’t know it was there, you wouldn’t pick it out in this brew.

Anyway, my guess is that if this immersion is hitting around 21% EY, I’m intentionally coming in below that on filter. Likely somewhere in the 18% to 20% range and possibly lower depending on the coffee. That’s basically why I only listen to Lance and Patrik. They were the only two influencers I’m aware of who were saying ā€œa lot of these coffees taste best at 18% EYā€ and provided measurements during the industry fever pitch of higher and higher extractions.

Returned to SLC this week. The news is not good.

Caffe D’Bolla: uh… this is some guy running a one-man roasting/cafe operation out of like some spare space in an office tower. He seems like he knows what he’s doing but dude, I walk in, nobody is in the place, it’s maybe 11 AM, I ask for ā€œespresso for hereā€ and he’s like well… and hands me the menu and I’m ā€œuh, is this in DOLLARS? Am I reading this correctly?ā€

Anyway, I end up getting his cheapest espresso for ELEVEN US DOLLARS (thanks trump) and it’s … ok. Nothing amazing. The space was nice considering how cramped it was, he’s got nice drinkware, but dude was just really offputting. Somehow he’s been in business for years (he was in a different location last time I was in town apparently). Oh and he doesn’t open until 10AM, C-.


Three Pines: still very respectable. Solid shot, good barista, everything is basically the way I want it. B++.

Cupla Coffee: oof. Shot was BAD. Basically undrinkable, extremely sour, no crema at all. Oatmeal was terrible (thin layer of edible oatmeal at the very bottom covered by four inches of slop and milk foam). There’s some big teener vollyball tournament in town and they were swamped so I guess I’ll cut them a little slack… D+

i dont get it. why is an espresso $11 if all the espresso based drink are $7?

They’re not using the complex and delicious espresso for those? Just their basic and bland one.

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FYI : If you try cold blooms, consider grinding finer.

I brewed another cold bloom at 122 F (50 C), this time with a washed Mexico chiapas. It’s about as sour and hollow as the others I’ve tried previously and I’m using higher brew temps and maximum agitation from pouring and swirling. My grind for this coffee is probbaly between 750-800 um. Would likely need to hit 600 um range and possibly lower since agitation capability will be limited by clogging. That’s a good use-case for T90 which is the most resistant to clogging (after Sibarist), but I’ve yet to make a great cup of this coffee with T90 using regular techniques. YMMV

*Ultralight washed coffees might not be the best candidate for cold blooms. Light-medium naturals and/or heavily-processed coffees that are easier to extract might be better in the sense that if your normal brewing technique comes out too extracted, switching to cold bloom might drop it into the ideal extraction zone.

I went ahead and ran it back with the much finer grind and T90. I’m guessing it’s in the 500-600 um range. The cup isn’t underextracted but it’s also not great and maybe slightly overextracted. Crystal clear (almost watery) compared to a normal brew but it just tastes like regular coffee without the interesting stuff. Anyway I’m closing the book on this method for now. In addition to grinding finer than usual, maybe try using a slightly lower ratio. If anyone gets a good result with it please let us know.

this seems… bogus?

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/heres-the-secret-to-making-the-perfect-cup-of-pour-over-coffee-according-to-physicists-180986400/

cliffnotes are they’re saying you can get the same amount of TDS with 10% less coffee if you… pour different? like, the idea of changing the grind size isn’t on the table here? and to get the same TDS from a smaller mass of coffee, don’t you by definition have to overextract?

Here’s the best part: it’s not actually different. JG wrote about this five years ago in the Ad Astra blog then formally published it with additional theory and evidence in his book on Jan 1, 2021 (which they cite). This paper uses a lot of the same jargon and theory that appears in Ch 6 of the book (e.g., laminar flow, water jet theory). The real difference I suppose is that this is a proper laboratory study using some serious equipment and facing peer review, but kind of wild seeing popular press pitching this as a new discovery when we’ve been using it for a half decade.

And all of the stuff about reducing the amount of coffee used by 10% is complete cockamamie. Notice how there are no actual sensory tests included in the study, just anecdotes about how they tasted the coffees and this was all very interesting and whatever. The same type of claim has been made about the zero bypass brewers.

Cliffs:

Using a gooseneck kettle, to maximize extraction** you should pour from the highest distance* above the coffee bed that allows an intact water stream. If your stream breaks (you’ll know because it splashes and crackles on top of the slurry), this leads to a major reduction in agitation and therefore extraction. Pouring from too low of a height (i.e., laminar flow) also results in lower agitation.

*The maximum height you can pour from before breaking the stream depends on the flow rate, which you can control manually to some degree but is also dictated by the design of the kettle.

**Whether you should be trying to do this is a different issue entirely that depends on a lot of other factors.

I spent the past week or so drinking coffee from a K machine using a refillable pod and some pink bourbon I had ground in advance, and the result was not awful. It was almost as good as the specialty joint about 10 mins from where I was staying.

Update: I’m now using a third party stainless steel pod with little paper filters for my travel setup. You can use them without filters, but two things happen: (1) more oils and sludge, (2) the ā€œpuckā€ is annoying to remove. These particular filters aren’t great, and I can tell because there’s still a tiny bit of sludge at the bottom of every cup, but it’s better and more convenient for me than no filter. The grind size that worked best was just my normal pour over setting (850 um range).

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I suppose you have a pretty limited selection of paper filters for something like this? You could probably 3D print something to shape a bigger filter to fit but that seems like more trouble than it’s worth unless this was going to be a regular thing.

Yeah I didn’t see too many filters available and a Negotiator feels a bit overkill. The bottom of these things are irregular b/c there’s a cutout intruded inward to fit some bit on the machine. In other words it’s not just a large thimble.

Btw if you’ve never taken a real K-cup pod apart to examine, they’re more interesting than you’d imagine. It has a fairly nice built-in filter made of a structured paper formed to a slightly conical shape and away from the walls of the pod.

oh interesting, my inlaws have a reusable k-cup (they’re only interested in Community Coffee Half Caf with Chicory, not sure why my brother in law bought them this since they make a full pot every morning, total fucking waste) but it’s made of some sort of plastic mesh, and it’s a fucking mess to clean it. I never really looked at it that closely.

I have to buy a bag of that shit every time the come visit, they act like I’m a fucking weirdo because I won’t drink it (I mean, I am a weirdo but not because of that, I wouldn’t drink it even if I were a normie, my extremely normal wife who puts tons of milk in her coffee won’t even drink it).

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My parents drink Maxwell House. :harold:

The most interesting thing about Maxwell House is that I was able to get some prominent notes to pop on a V60 pour that don’t show up in their drip machine. The bad news is that those notes are chewing tobacco and tire rubber.

I have two of these little metal pods so I guess there’s no reason why I couldn’t use one of them as the negotiator. Although I’m not sure which paper I’d try to cram into such a small space. The ridged Kalita style would probably work best.

I would snap call maxwell hovel over anything with chicory in it, and it’s not even close