Coffee Talk (and Tea)

Check out the explore link for a deeper dive. I got better results when I paid attention to flow rate. The latte art video is pretty good too. Articles devoted to milk:

https://espressovivace.com/archives/9601scr.html

https://espressovivace.com/archives/9512scr.html

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@blackize

I worked some of my happiest years at an espresso bar.

Frothing milk is a lot like learning to use a clutch for a stick shift. You start to get a feel for it based on the sound and feeling of the milk as it is being frothed. Then just gotta experiment with slight tweaks of heat, air pressure, and depth of the wand into the milk.

Start deep and low pressure.

From the second article linked by ripdog:

After that it really depends on what kind of milk texture you want. The rest of that article says ultra fine milk bubbles will universally enhance the flavor of the coffee.

The other tip they point out that I guess is kind of foundational is that you are trying to create the perfect balance of pressure between the heat, milk, and container, so you need a milk vessel thatā€™s not too small or itā€™ll just whirlpool spew out the top.

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Thai roaster with the Japanese candy aisle aesthetic.

She (Bruna Silva) speaks perfect American English. If she did an English coffee Youtube sheā€™d win the internet. ETA: Sheā€™s a Q-grader haha jfc. A fashion model slash Q-grader where do I sign?

https://www.instagram.com/bruna.steph/?hl=en

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Anyone had any clean coffees with no flavor defects that were easy to brew lately? Not asking for much haha. I am back to being extremely disappointed by most roasters and coffees. Maybe I need to start a Google sheet where we can track and rate roasters for quality and consistency.

Something like this but sourced by multiple of us. I like his reviews but this is single sourced obviously and dunno about potential conflicts of interest. One thing worth pointing out about his reviews is how he changes parameters around to see how it affects the brew trying to find it. Itā€™s very detailed. I think @pvn takes notes like this guy but I tend to remember these things for at least a day or two and never write them down.

FYI Fellow is having a 25% off everything sale today. I just got around to watching part 2 of this tier list ranking. He says both Onyx and B&W went more into the experimental side of processing and demoted both of them. Same thing I was saying in here about B&W and I havenā€™t ordered from them in a while now. Thereā€™s also more subtle stuff like Sweet Bloom moving to a Loring and he doesnā€™t like it now.

I will go check my notes but it feels like itā€™s been a while since I had a bag that both dialed in easily and stayed relatively constant.

So I make notes on each cup and on the bag as a whole, and going through my bag notes itā€™s a fucking parade of ā€œinconsistent,ā€ ā€œfinicky,ā€ ā€œdifficult,ā€ and ā€œtrickyā€

damn

last one I actually used the word ā€œconsistentā€ in my notes was a Burundi field blend from Sey roasted in late april, which I opened in early june.

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I did recently get a bag of this stuff from a local roaster:

it wasnā€™t quite what Iā€™d call ā€œconsistentā€ but there were some amazing cups in there. This is the first bag Iā€™ve had from this guy and I just picked up another last week which Iā€™ll be opening soon. Heā€™s a relatively recent transplant to the area from Austin and he definitely knows what heā€™s doing.

Right now heā€™s running a popup inside of https://www.boycottcoffee.com/ two days a week, I have gotten some crazy good espresso from him, but itā€™s a bit out of the way for me so I only go down there maybe every other week.

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this guy seems kinda lol. the first roaster he says is great but he puts them in ā€œgoodā€ because he hasnā€™t had anything from them recently? OK, if youā€™re not comfortable, just donā€™t rate them! The 2nd was even more lol, heā€™s going off ā€œa coupleā€ of cups he had in their cafe (which personally I think is a terrible way to evaluate a roaster) and ONE bag? idk man, seems pretty iffy.

Yeah same thatā€™s why I stopped taking notes a long time ago. My observation is that coffees tend to be consistent across roasters. Not really in terms of cup profile but whether itā€™s easy to extract an A/A+ cup consistently. Iā€™ve had the Elida natural from several roasters now and itā€™s always great, like basically impossible to extract a bad cup. On the other hand, I stopped ordering from B&W after striking out on nine straight coffees.

Thatā€™s one of the main reasons Iā€™m skeptical of reviews like this. Thereā€™s no way anyone is intimately familiar with dozens of coffee roasters because no one is drinking that much coffee. Some of his observations are on point though like B&W cratering, so I donā€™t think itā€™s all useless information. This type of data needs to be crowd sourced, but itā€™s more difficult than just posting a Google sheet due to issues such as rater effects, for example.

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yeah if the guy wants to just say ā€œthese are the roasters Iā€™m vibing with latelyā€ thatā€™s fine

I like SEYā€™s coffee but theyā€™re expensive relative to, say, Passenger and Iā€™m not a fan of the current price per quantity trends taking over the industry. The 250g model will never be an optimal quantity from a home brewerā€™s perspective for exactly the reasons we were just discussingā€“inconsistent, finicky, difficult, trickyā€“unless theyā€™re only selling absolutely foolproof coffees (those are rare). Hereā€™s the breakdown on a current SEY offering:

Weight Price (Price/lb)
250g $23.75 $42.09
2 lbs $65 $32.50
5 lbs $162.50 $32.50

Good incentive to take the 1 kg / 2 lbs option which is something Iā€™ve been doing more often since 12 oz bags are endangered and 16 oz bags are virtually extinct. It may seem like the potential drawback is being stuck with one coffee for too long, but itā€™s only true at the beginning and then obviously not true when the reserves begin to encroach on valuable freezer real estate. The drawback is potentially ordering several pounds of mediocre (or worse) coffee.

Anyway, the point is about my changing approach to buying coffee. In the past, I erroneously overvalued the wide variety of coffees and roasters available. Iā€™d typically order 2-4 coffees at a time and rarely use the same roaster twice in row, but any illusion that a high % of those coffees will be noteworthy vanished long ago. Iā€™d estimate that maybe only 1 out of every 20 coffees I buy is truly remarkable and repeatable, and honestly the vast majority are average at best (relative statement b/c theyā€™re certainly better than Starbucks or whatever). That may seem nonsensical (ā€œmost of [something] is averageā€) but I find coffee to be closer to an all-or-nothing proposition with most of the offerings lumped together in one large boring cluster.

Also I trust your judgement and would order 2 lbs of this Burundi field from SEY but it appears they donā€™t have it now. The ephemeral existence of many of the offerings is another impediment to buying good coffee in quantity. Many of the great coffees Iā€™ve had ā€œsamplingā€ 12 oz portions or less were sold out when I went back to order a larger quantity. Iā€™m a firm believer in rotating coffees due to palate fatigue or otherwise Iā€™d just order Elida five pounds at a time and never give a second thought to any of this.

this is both correct and completely insane at the same time

like, watching that dude rating roasters in that youtube was kind of enlightening

like, saying B&W is ā€œmediocreā€ or whatever tier that dude put them in is literally insane. Any random bag you get from them is better than 99.9999% of all coffee I ever drank before, say, 2010. Yeah, I get theyā€™re doing more experimental stuff now, that doesnā€™t make their ā€œregularā€ stuff worse, just ā€¦ donā€™t by the weird process shit you donā€™t like? IDK that dude really put me on monkeytilt.

But yeah, I get it.

And yes, 250g is an insane amount of coffee to sell. And some roasters sell their really special micro-lots in 100g bags! Itā€™s basically useless. And by the time I get the bag, rest it, open it and figure out itā€™s great, the roaster is out. So itā€™s impossible.

Spent a days and a half in DC last week for a conference, made a few stops:

  • Swingā€™s Coffee - seems to have quite a few locations, coffee was OK, seems popular with the public sector mover and shaker crowd, wasnā€™t thrilled with the presentation
  • Emissary - seemed highly regarded, barista was clearly overworked, shot was subpar but dude was literally drowning in orders and working alone, there were a lot of asshole customers in here
  • Bourbon coffee - barely remember anything here, shot must have been OK
  • Cupa Cupa Cafe - advertised as ā€œEthiopian Styleā€ (seemed like just a really, really long shot with coarsely ground beans?). Pretty good, very friendly, and this place is also a weird and tiny bookstore and they are also a games workshop dealer. my kind of place.
  • The Coffee Bar - A+++++++++++++ this is the place, great baristas, excellent shot, perfect presentation
  • slipstream - seemed a bit trendy but competent shots with good presentation. guy seemed a little offput because I walked in at 7:59 and they donā€™t open until 8:00, whatever dude

amazing woodworking exhibit upstairs at the Renwick btw, some absolutely insane pieces

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Itā€™s been almost two years of pour over practice and I still donā€™t have it down. I might be the worst scientist on the planet. So many variables to contend with

I recently discovered the long bloom. I was filling to about 20% and allowing a 10 second bloom with very mixed results. Then quite by accident, I got distracted in the middle of blooming and found a longer bloom smoothed out the flavor and bitterness. I looked it up and found some do a 1 minute bloom! So I started doing that with much better results

So my adjustments from my start two years ago are: A more finer grind. Lower water temperature. 1:16 ratio from 1:15. And a longer bloom time. Iā€™ve also adjusted the speed of my pour to an aprox rate of 20g in 10 seconds finishing the pour at about 1:40 and between 2:15-2:30 complete drain

I havenā€™t been using gourmet beans. My current bag is Kirkland brand medium roast whole beans for $15 lmao! You can laugh, but itā€™s still miles better than any store brand in a standard brewer. That said, I do need to try a bag of good beans. But then itā€™s back to the drawing board for recipe

Happy brewing all!

I upgraded my espresso maker to this:

Makes a proper double shot and the Americanos Iā€™m drinking are very satisfying and every cup is perfect.

Took ~5 (maybe a few more) cups to dial in the pico and get used to dealing with the ultra fine grind, but worth it in the end. If youā€™re looking for easy and consistent, try the pico. Amazon will give you a month to try it and you can send it back if you donā€™t like it. Bonus that your 1Zpresso grinder is up to the task for ultra fine grinding.

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This thread has too much coffee and not enough matcha. Maybe this will help.

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Bought some Yemeni coffee beans from a booth at a coffee festival in Prague (link below). They were quite expensive (150 grams^ for 500 koruna*) but man you can taste the difference. Only made it via aeropress so far and itā€™d be sinful to mix milk or sugar in there. Has an apple aroma and taste to it. About to make it via pour over now.

*23 koruna ~ 1 US dollar
^28.3 grams ~1 ounce