Man it sure seems like Magnus know all about Hans and all his online cheating, and then when he lost OTB he assumed it was because Hans cheated.
pretty big blow from a financial standpoint in chess not to be on that siteâs stuff since they own mostly everything online now
Oh snap
I mean if he did a âcome cleanâ interview and just totally lied about the extent of his online cheating then it seems like his career is over. Incredibly stupid if thatâs what he did, he didnât need to bring any of that up at all, complete unforced error.
It is for me. I was wondering how they might cheat. This seems pretty fancy, though.
Naroditsky has a new long video commenting on this and he touches on some of the questions about how OTB cheating could even occur. It could be something as bland and cartoonish as âguy gets up from the board and looks out a window and someone gives him a signalâ. He also references the possibility of small and difficult to detect devices, but doesnât really get into it. But Naroditsky is a very level headed guy and he gives the impression that OTB cheating is a known phenomenon and not out of the question.
One of the more interesting things about this Big Chess Scandal is that it is surfacing some old examples of people cheating OTB that are absolutely fascinating.
Sebastien Feller is a French GM who got caught cheating in very subtle way with two helpers. One helper was offsite finding the best move with a computer - say the best move was to move a knight to f4. He would text this to a second helper on site (not Sebastien - the actual cheater doesnât need any electronic device). The second helper then has a âcodeâ for moving to a specific location in the tournament room (letâs say that he goes and looks at board 6 to indicate the f file) and then will take four steps and put his hands in his pockets to indicate row 4. So now Sebastien knows that the right move is to move a piece to f4. This will sometimes be ambiguous, but the GM is probably only considering a couple of candidate moves. Or maybe itâs a weird âcomputer moveâ that he wouldnât otherwise consider, but now he knows to look into it and maybe can figure it out.
This seems nuts, but Naroditsky makes the point that the players are already good without computer assistance. Theyâre not sending secret messages to players to get them to play 1.e4. Itâs enough to get some computer help in the small number of critical moments that occur in any game. In a tournament match between two GMs, you may only need to employ your cheating âsystemâ two or three times to play 100 points above your true level. And thatâs the difference between being a super GM and being number 300 in the world.
I still dont get it. If he cheated in the past, got caught, received punishment (ban) and hasnt cheated (or got caught) since then re-banning him is a shitty move. Regardless of his portrayal of his past cheating, itâs fucked up if you can get punished twice for the same crime just because you pissed off the king
I thought the post from chess.com was implying that there is more cheating than what he got banned for before, i.e. they arenât re-banning him for âthe same crimeâ.
âWe have shared detailed evidence with him concerning our decisions, including information that contradicts his statements regarding the amount and seriousness of his cheating on Chess.comâ.
To me it sounds like his statement about cheating in those two occasions only is false, but not that they found new instances. But i could be wrong
They definitely arenât being very transparent. And Magnus has fucked off and provided nothing substantial at all. Itâs good to be the King, I guess.
âamount and seriousnessâ reads to me as number of occurrences and how bad those occurrences were, but yeah itâs vague on purpose I guess. Itâs good to be the king website.
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Naroditsky also did a video with Hikaru. I was only half listening but they both seem pretty uninformed about possible electronic cheating and counter measures.
That kind of makes sense, theyâre trying to win their games without cheating so why would they educate themselves on electronic cheating methods?
This is a big problem that chess is going to have to deal with at some point because computers are so much better than humans and the transmission of information has never been easier. For very serious competition they will need a very serious set of anti cheating regimes. The security theatre version of scanning people with a metal detector wand to keep cell phones out of the competition area are better than nothing but probably not going to cut it.
Yeah I wasnât expecting them to know much, but from the comments they did make, it seemed like they know little about technology generally. Which is also fine.
Mostly they talked about how things might seem âoffâ to them otb and occasions they suspected someone or others had complained about them.
There was a vague reference to how a device might be hidden where I thought they were talking about anal beads or whatever but they clearly didnât want to go there.
Easy: players must play naked, no one in the room but the two players.
Too much of an advantage for Nepo, heâs too sexy and would distract the other players.
I think that the cheating that is happening (assuming it is happening, just because the stakes are so high) has to be done via some sort of coordination with outside help. No one is getting a device in that they can use personally to input positions and check the computer move. I think the cheating all comes from other people watching the games and somehow getting the computer information in to assist. I think that the main procedure that would help would be to increase the amount of time delay between the actual game and when an outsider with a computer could see and check the position. Even if they can get information back to the player somehow, having that information arrive 30 minutes late would majorly reduce the impact (if not eliminate it).
and also must undergo an anal cavity search before the game starts
Yet out of all the nonsense that happened in this match, the most famous is this: Karpov received a blueberry yogurt from a waiter during the second game and Korchnoiâs team immediately complained to the arbiter that it was a coded signal telling him what move to play. The two sides compromised that Karpov would only receive food at a predetermined time, and that Korchnoiâs camp would receive advanced notice of the color of the yogurt.
lol
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The funny thing is, there were no computers. Who the hell on Karpovâs team was strong enough to give Karpov a move!?!?!
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