Oh so it’s not “abolish” but rather “improve”.
Sorry, I hope you can forgive my poor interpretation of your point.
Sorry, I have also injected myself into a conversation so I’m also defining terms the way I feel like it as I go along, lol!
For me, my immediate reaction to “abolish prisons” is yes, we should immediately abolish the dreadful crime against humanity that is the current US prison industrial complex. I would categorize “US system vs. no prisons at all” as a false choice so that’s why I am kind of sidestepping absolutist concepts of abolition.
I understand the word “abolish” to have various connotations in this and other contexts that are more designed to abolish the defining characteristics of the thing rather than the thing itself. I also think that many (most?) of the proponents of the abolish movements actually mean what they say and take umbrage at milquetoast half measures. Defining terms is important.
We should have a prison population less than 25% as large as it is now, and the typical prisoner should exit prison older than 25 with economically valuable skills. That person is very unlikely to re-offend. Employers shouldn’t be allowed to ask about criminal history, and the problems that could potentially come from that (a sex offender trying to get a job at say a day care) should be handled by the state post release through the probation system, which should obviously be free to the prisoner.
After someone goes through that process if they remain a risk to the community they should be sent to a prison that houses other people who seem to commit crimes just for the hell of it, and those places can be less rehab oriented and more security focused. Where the current system is going wrong is that it’s not trying to rehabilitate people first. Career organized criminals, and people with dangerous compulsions and/or personality disorders need to be segregated from the rest of the prison population. Prison shouldn’t be crime college it should be college college. Right now the only vocational training most felons get is how to be a better criminal.
Anyone in prison solely for drug possession should be diverted to treatment. In many states that is what happens for even repeat “offenders”. Jail is a bit different because the duration is much different. I don’t think many of the 500,000 incarcerated for drug possession are hanging in jail cells waiting for trials months away: most of them, even if they can’t post bond, are getting plea offers for probation within days.
Yes. As always making sure we use the right words is pretty much all that matters. JFC.
You didn’t answer in the other thread. What is your old/2+2 sn?
Why are you so angry?
I’m not angry but you are either a troll or a shitposter. Every post you make is some version of JAQing off.
I’ll ask again. What is your old sn?
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We’re so far away from ever actually abolishing them that it scarcely matters.
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In the police and military where all their friends are.
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I’m curious, is that a gut feeling you have or do you interact with prison abolitionists? If so, which prison abolitionist books/papers/articles have you read, or which individuals have you interacted with that have led you to this conclusion?
Because the poster who wrote the following seems to have (at best) a loose grasp on why prison abolition advocates hold their positions.
Mostly pieced it together from sugar packets. I would be happy to learn more.
That’s a deep Simpsons cut. Props.
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Solid bump.
It’s a good thing that they are punting this issue over to ICE? Did you even read the article
I mean obviously not. Just looking for any headline that’ll make your brunch a bit more comfortable
Needs labels. I have no idea who any of those people are. Is that Hillary Clinton yelling at Franklin Delano Roosevelt? Why is Arnold Schwarzenegger calling him Biden?
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Why is joe in the cage?