The people out of work are the ones who need this money. The people without money are the ones who need money to stay in their homes. Not one of these people is going to think the president saved them. Right now, this story is home, not esoteric. If a person has received $600 from the federal government for these benefits, you can guarantee they are paying attention to every single thing about its return, especially if they are still out of work.
$1 trillion will be more than enough to do both the $600 and the eviction moratorium for well over 4 months. There are a lot of things in that bill that are esoterically related to COVID-19 or not at all. From my understanding, almost all of the places the Dems came down on costs weren’t on removing programs, they were on length of the programs. Those length reductions reduced the package by $1 trillion without changing anything materially if I am to believe the press reports.
Now that they’ve hooked the postal service into a different bill, they can remove this from their next version of the bill which was a huge place the GOP was balking. I know you know this, too. I am telling you, Nancy wants to cause a shutdown if she can get it because shutdowns ALWAYS hurt the GOP. She doesn’t give a s*** about the people anymore than Mitch does, sorry, though she’d like to help if she could (she can and she didn’t).
Let them eat cake!
There’s no reaonsing with you when you say stuff like this. I get it, you hate the electorate and think they are dumb to the point where you infantilize them to them to this level. One thing every American dumb or smart understands is that they have no money. The question they then start asking once inserted to the $600 bureaucracy is, ‘whose fault is it I don’t have money’. Then they see the GOP say, we tried to give them $600 but they wouldn’t take yes for an answer (bad faith lying/framing), but that’s what’s reported. Then the GOP says, we’ll give $300 while the Dems say that’s not enough. The GOP says, ‘we’re getting you $300’. The family says it’s not enough to pay my bills, but I’ll take every dime I can get right now just to survive, when’s it coming? The answer is maybe October and is just 4 weeks. Every day a person doesn’t have money, no matter whether it’s retroactive has an immediate impact on their lives. Turn that into a week, a month, two months, three months. Who gets the blame is the people who said it’s coming, but when it does (if it does), it’s not enough. If these people are taking the time to vote, they’ll know who’s effing them and I hate how some people here treat voters like they have no agency whatsoever in what’s going on in this country.
Let’s go back to the car dealer analogy. You’re now motivated to make the deal at $47k, just give us a little bit of a budge. The dealer then tells you, ‘I’ll sell it to you for $100k’. For a guy who is so good at pointing out bad faith you sure do recommend people do a lot of bad faith things to get the things you want you’ll never get. Negotiation is a blind spot for you. It’s not a zero sum game unless you have all the power and leverage or you’re an a-hole. The goal in a good faith negotiation is to find a place where neither side hates the outcome, not to make both sides love it. That never ever happens. Mnuchin absolutely understands this principle and Meadows absolutely does not understand it. Mnuchin doesn’t talk for the president anymore, Meadows does. This is why we are here.
You might have the most negative worldview of anyone on this site. You should sit back and think about what that means. You are the king of self-fulfilling prophecy of things happening you believe will happen because you believe they will happen. I haven’t seen you have one glass half-full moment in probably close to 3 years and there are lots of them available.
We have never ever ever been in a situation like what we’re in right now and you are still treating it like a known situation. People are pissed and if there’s one thing I know about this world, it’s that when you start effing with people’s money they get angry and activated (see overtime not showing up in paychecks, see bonuses disappearing, see payroll checks bouncing). It is always the GOP effing with your money and financial security. Violence is about to amp up because of this and you’ve already started seeing it very recently. We are on an insane powder keg right now and you still think politicking for a better future that may never come is the way to stop it instead of doing what’s right right now.
The Dems keep saying we have passed the bill and they refuse to negotiate or bring the bill to the floor. The GOP keeps saying the Dems won’t pass anything. One is the truth, one is a lie. You seem to think lying is the best message.
Congress, buddy. Again, stop doing that thing where you continuously ascribe your meaning to my words and tell me that’s what I’m saying or thinking.
ROFL, esoteric impeachments compared to actual human suffering and people dying that you just want to win a negotiation about. Nancy thinks everything you do about every single one of these issues. You are her. You say you want to impeach, but you don’t recommend doing it. You say you care about people, but you’re willing to do a shutdown. You say you’re for a lot of things, but your rhetoric always backs up the side you claim to be advocating against because of what you believe will happen.
And that’s exactly why most politicians are exactly why they are because they believe they will not be held to account by people like you who want them to do the right thing while telling them it will never work. Who cares if it won’t work? Do it. Advocate for it in a positive manner without equivocation about its possibilities of success. That’s how things change. It’s called doing the right thing regardless of political outcome.
Dude, you think you’re negotiating with a person who got themselves into a bad situation. You’re negotiating with a serial killer who is going to kill the person, kill everyone in the room, and themselves because they don’t care. They know they’re caught and there is no way out. This is the GOP. Nancy thinks it’s more important to save the post office than actual people even though she’ll probably never get a Senate vote on that either. There are a lot of people in Congress right now who realize how badly she’s screwing the pooch. They tried to introduce a new smaller bill and she wouldn’t bring it to the floor in the couple of days after she just had to have that ballot bill related to the people who are broke, no longer have that home, and aren’t going to be able to vote possibly because they could be dead by the election. O wellz.
This Lucy football analogy is right up there with the Harlem Globetrotters analogy. You are being the change you want in the world by continuously using the rhetoric you use. You are not helping anyone with it and your thoughts on it (that are the same as the people you hate in leadership in Congress) are actually excessively destructive to the people you claim you want to help.
A message of ‘you will have a home in 6 months even though you are homeless now if you just let us win this negotiation’ is absolutely not a strategy anyone in this country will accept. You cannot relate to the people you are willing to let fail here which is why you have a problem with this ‘logic problem’ as you say. There is no logic in an emergency, or have you still not figured that out yet? Stop thinking about people as numbers, think of them as people. Be different.