Are Capitalism and Racism Conjoined Twins Inexorably Linked?

Fair enough. As a result of how we are (or at least as CA did) educate us USians re: India, caste can imply a nonracial categorization. Also, neither class nor caste, again as they are commonly used in the US, well encompass intersectionality. So, I’ll backtrack and punt on my point #4 completely.

IMO old school Commies were incredibly class reductionist, either minimizing intersectionality (“you girls gotta wait until after the revolution”) y/o just in denial. I feel by c2000 here in the US radical communities that old school class reductionism was a dead letter. Not at all coincidentally IMO, this coincides with horizontal organizing effectively replacing party-style organizing.

But to continue on with my “rigor-mortis debate”… First let me clarify, I’m not saying peeps consciously realize we have been divided up and pitted against each other. As you correctly state, most proly don’t see it that way. I’m just saying that we are, and practically need to remain so, for capitalism to continue to exist.

  • In a close to ethnically homogeneous region, capitalism could still exist. Historically such situations have existed, often in the context of colonization. Such situations would be examples of non-racist capitalism. So yes, in this sense, capitalism & racism are not “conjoined twins inexorably linked”. QED.

However (there’s always a however)… the not necessarily white colonizing capitalists would still necessary need to divide the close to ethnically homogeneous population up along other lines. Besides the constant of sex (more generally orientation), they’d need to be able to divide by religion, language, clan, ancestral origin, lines of work, alphabet, eye color, or count of freckles.

I think some of the Scandi countries managed it quite well. Companies like Nokia and Ericsson even supplied domestically-made high-tech mobile devices before the rush to build factories in China. Even Britain managed to make its own hi-fi and TV equipment for decades (and still does the former but only just the latter).

It’s only really corporate greed that drives production and outsourcing abroad. CEO salaries used to be ~20 times the median; now they’re more like 200 times once you’ve factored in all the shares/options/bonuses etc. That’s not an essential component of capitalism and it could be hindered by governments.

I don’t think “late stage capitalism” is a nothingburger. Technology makes productivity go up and less and less labor is required to maintain the same standards of living, yet people don’t work less. Labor competes against itself and the price of labor goes down and people need to work just as much. Prices of goods decrease until there’s no profit unless there’s some kind of artificial scarcity.

And the Scandi countries still have other people producing a lot of their consumer goods like clothing. And at least Norway is largely living off of natural resources rather than labor. Regardless of what country someone lives in, what happens to labor? What happens to people who don’t have capital? What happens to people who have neither? If the answer is charity - is the liberal story really true that charity, beyond bare subsistance, doesn’t really disincentivize participating in labor?

People can start by not discarding clothes after one season and not replacing perfectly good phones when a new model comes out.

Late or mid or early/mid stage capitalism, whatever you want to call it, is certainly a thing and it’s running rampant across poor and now middle class people’s lives because of the obsession with deregulated markets and an absence of standards that are driven mainly by USA#1, the worlds biggest economy that, along with cheap land and labour China, other nations are being forced to compete with by introducing shitty conditions on their workers.

Semi-g but clearly the equilibrium solution is to a free market while human nature will always attempt to hoard money, power and resources. A purely market solution is a straight disaster and it’s natural conclusion is always an inefficient coalescence of resources at the very top (what we see today). One can never really stop these two forces and the masses will never do anything about it until there is so much pain that they are forced to deal with the reality of wealth distribution. The main question is how to best education them in this cycle so the least long term harm is done to all. I don’t think we are too far away from soup kitchens so maybe this madness will come to a stop soon.

Recycling so we can continue on this self-destructive course of rampant consumerism isn’t enough imo. We have to break behaviours and live simpler lives.

What’s needed before a political revolution is a revolution of the heart.

Good amount of information and insight packed into 15 minutes. Also, the first or second comment on the video has a transcript for those that would prefer to read. I copy/pasta’d the first few minutes below.

"The relationship between slavery and race, race and unfreedom, unfreedom and labor is one that we constantly try to untangle and, at our peril, we ignore it but, also at our peril, we make it too simplistic because the complexity of it matters for what we do in the current moment to undo the catastrophe of mass incarceration. So, I go down this path of trying to think globally in order to think about how today, given the catastrophe of racial capitalism on a world scale, its particular form of austerity and neoliberalism and permanent war that we struggle through requires an approach to solving problems that, however particular or local they are, have an international dimension, because it is an international problem. Capitalism requires inequality and racism enshrines it.

My name is Ruth Wilson Gilmore. I have been a teacher and a researcher into especially the prison industrial complex, but, in order to investigate that, I’ve had to lift up from that certain general themes that are very exciting that we’re going to be able to explore in our conversation, including racial capitalism, which is all of capitalism, abolition geography, and my role as a teacher in the university and in the streets.

Racial capitalism, which is to say all capitalism, is not a thing, it’s a relation. However, if we look back through the history of capitalism as it developed, we see that the understanding that those who own the means of production had of their differences from those whose labor they exploited were understandings that we can recognize today as racial practice.

So, all capitalism is racial from its beginning, which is to say, the capitalism that we have inherited-- that it’s constantly producing and reproducing itself, and it will continue to depend on racial practice and racial hierarchy no matter what. This is another way of saying we can’t undo racism without undoing capitalism.

Being a good geographer means going to look and see, and then to challenge oneself in one’s description of what we want to see. But, politically, it is giving all of the attention you have to the thing, so that you understand how it works.

The word discovery doesn’t sit well with anybody who knows anything about the history of the world, and yet people flock here to this Monument, unaware or uncaring about its fascist dimensions. Unaware or uncaring about the compass rose that is behind it that was a gift of the Apartheid government of South Africa to the fascist government of Portugal in the mid 1960s. Can we try to redescribe this world that has been described in these particular ways in this tourist location with this monument and this pavement.

Slavery and the slave trade-- it’s not something that was initiated when some people who became known as Europeans encountered some people who became known as Africans and grabbed them. It was never limited to African slavery, and, in fact, we ought take more seriously than perhaps we do, the fact of intra-- what we call today European-- slavery as being one of the forces that shaped the modern world.

The foundations of racial capitalism, the foundations of the social organization of human groupings in Western Europe during the rise of capitalism. They don’t have anything to do with Africa, Asia, North America, or South America. They have to do with what was happening here in Europe between people all of whose descendants might have become white. I mean, that is the major lesson of racial capitalism, and why does that matter? It matters because capitalism won’t stop being racial capitalism, if all the white people disappear from the story.

Capitalism requires inequality, and racism enshrines it. It started racial without what people imagined race to mean, which is black people, and it will continue to be racial without what people imagine the not-race to be, which is white people."

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