Andrew Cuomo: We got him!!!

[Trolly]

This community generally assumes anyone over 60 has late-stage dementia. I’ve seen it a few times back on 22.

[clovis8]

Poor you getting called out for spreading qanon conspiracy theories about Biden’s health.

[MasterofthePwn]

We all bought the efforts of people like you to trick us into thinking Biden has dementia to some degree, and then we all felt like fools after watching him debate like a normal person for several hours. Fool me once…

[Melkerson]

@ChrisV seems to have this topic covered pretty well. Here was a post he made on it that I could find. Thoughts?

@ChrisV

I hadn’t remembered the LaCasse detail but what I remembered came from this Vox article from Laura McGann about why they hadn’t run with the story.

The agonizing story of Tara Reade and her sexual assault allegation against Joe Biden - Vox

This was the story Reade told in April 2019:

Reade told me that a senior aide told her Biden liked her legs and that he wanted her to serve cocktails at a fundraiser for him, a request she found demeaning and declined. When she later complained to others in the office that Biden would put his hands on her shoulder, neck, and hair during meetings in ways that made her uncomfortable, she says she was blamed and told to dress more conservatively. Within a few months, she said, her responsibilities had been stripped and she felt she was being pushed out of the job. She went back home to California deflated.

Reade told me that she wanted me to think of this story as being about abuse of power, “but not sexual misconduct.” Her emphasis was on how she was treated in Biden’s office by Senate aides, who she said retaliated against her for complaining about how Biden touched her in meetings. “I don’t know if [Biden] knew why I left,” she said. “He barely knew us by name.”

A friend who counselled Reade through this period corroborated this account, also saying the story was not about sexual assault:

Last year, Reade encouraged me to speak with a friend of hers who counseled her through her time in Biden’s office in 1992 and 1993. The friend was clear about what had happened, and what hadn’t.

“On the scale of other things we heard, and I feel ashamed, but it wasn’t that bad. [Biden] never tried to kiss her directly. He never went for one of those touches. It was one of those, ‘sorry you took it that way.’ I know that is very hard to explain,” the friend told me. She went on: “What was creepy was that it was always in front of people.”

Then in March 2020, Reade changed her story and said that it was, after all, a story about sexual assault. She then produced new friends - ones she had not produced in support of the original story - to support this new story. LaCasse is someone she spoke to two years after the alleged incident. The friend that McGann had spoken to in 2019 also changed her story to support Reade’s new story. On the Katie Halper show Reade blamed the media:

Well, I was going to tell the whole thing … the whole history with Biden. … But the way I was being questioned, it made me so uncomfortable that I didn’t trust it. And no offense to the reporters out there, it’s just maybe that’s something that can be learned, how to talk to somebody who got. … Because I just really got shut down. … And the narrative [they] really wanted it to be was that it wasn’t a sexual thing. Like don’t say it’s sexual. And so I was like, okay, I guess I can’t really say the whole story. …

This is a total fabrication. Reade was very clear in 2019 with both McGann and The Union, who published the original story, that this wasn’t a sexual assault allegation. McGann says both she and other reporters Reade spoke to were completely open to a sexual assault story. This was the height of MeToo; a reporter publishing that kind of story about a major political figure could be up for a Pulitzer. It makes no sense to suggest the media aren’t interested in those sort of stories.

So to recap, Reade told an original story about Biden in 2019 that was extremely plausible, in which both her and her friend emphasised that sexual assault had not occurred. A year later, she’s telling an entirely new story, producing entirely new friends to support it. When asked why she didn’t tell this story in the first place, her answer is a self-serving fabrication, offloading blame onto the media. There are huge issues here before we even get to her lying about her qualifications in court.

“Believe women” means “give women the benefit of the doubt” not “totally ignore any and all glaring credibility problems”.

[clovis8]

I’m in my early 40s and couldn’t remember my postal code today. Same one I’ve had for a decade. Should I get checked for dementia?

Or maybe, a guy who has given thousands of televised speeches, has lifelong stutter, and is in his late 70s might forget something once in awhile and it’s not clinical dementia.

[Melkerson]

@clovis8

clinical dementia.

Is there another kind?

[clovis8]

Jesus fucking Christ are you really coming with the fake stutter takes now? For the record I reported this post. It’s shameful and should be removed.

[clovis8]

Yes the kind rc and victoar are talking about. The pure fantasy kind.

[ChrisV]

If you click through there’s a post right under that one as well where I detail her history of making up stories. Just digging up some fib someone told once can be a form of smearing them, because, well, raise your hand if you have never told a lie in your life. The thing about Reade is that she’s not merely a liar but a fabulist - she weaves entire made-up tales on demand. Most people don’t do that. Of particular note is the bit where when she’s challenged on why she’s changed her story, she cheerfully invents a victim narrative where she was railroaded into her original story by the insensitive media. (The Vox reporter contradicting her on this is also a woman so, you know, #believewomen).

[clovis8]

@Vict0ar

But massive lol at the lifelong stutter thing all of a sudden presenting itself at 78 when no one had heard about it for the last 50 fuxking years.

Lol

[MichaelDavis]

About half of us are going to be demented pretty soon.

[ChrisV]

I think I might have posted something like this already, but when it looked possible to me that Biden might not make it through the campaign and Cuomo had a national profile due to COVID etc, I made a small speculative bet on Cuomo nominee at +8500. At this point I had never actually seen any footage of him. The first time I saw him speak on camera, I was like “oh OK, I lit money on fire I guess”.

After Giuliani, Bloomberg and this guy, my conclusion is that New Yorkers must just really love getting dommed? Being an arrogant, repulsive freak is an impediment to elected office in most jurisdictions, but it seems like for NY mayor/governor it’s an asset.

[Riverman]

Don’t forget Spitzer!

[hokie]

50 new posts in the Cuomo thread, there must be some new… oh.

[Melkerson]

@ChrisV

Being an arrogant, repulsive freak is an impediment to elected office in most jurisdictions,

Is it, though? I feel like that sort seem to be over-represented among politicians. Over ~75 million people voted for Trump who is the epitome of arrogant, repulsive freak. Surely there are jurisdictions all over the place where it plays well.

[CaffeineNeeded]

@R.C

I’m getting out of this thread now that it’s turned into a liberal pile-on for daring to believe a sexual assault victim

@Vict0ar

Imagine thinking a 78 year old man is perfectly mentally capable and then acting like any visual evidence to the contrary is a conspiracy

Both of these posts are so way out of what I’ve seen here that I’m still wondering if I missed something. Y’all really mean either of these posts? Because the implications of both of those make me wonder why you’d ever post here tbh.

[ChrisV]

@Melkerson

Is it, though? I feel like that sort seem to be over-represented among politicians. Over ~75 million people voted for Trump who is the epitome of arrogant, repulsive freak. Surely there are jurisdictions all over the place where it plays well.

Right, I guess to be more accurate, generally you need some sort of charm or charisma to paper over the fact that you’re an arrogant, repulsive freak. Bill Clinton is the obvious example here. What distinguishes the New York breed is their lack of charisma and their absolutely unvarnished, unconcealed contempt for voters. Trump is a sort of hybrid of the two where he definitely is a New York guy with contempt for his voters but has enough of the showman about him to convince his fans that he only has contempt for the other side.

[R.C]

Sorry everybody, I didn’t mean to derail the thing. I was just trying to get an answer from jman since he bumped a comment I made a while back to highlight a specific point. Had I known it would lead to a bunch of the kind of comments I got in response I would have simply left it alone. Been a bit enlightening, at least.

[R.C]

Since I’m here, here’s an article with accounts of Reade telling people about it at the time, that also addresses the number of specious arguments people have made to “debunk” her.

Also, Chris’ use of “believe women” in his post here is vile, as is his use of “victim narrative” to describe an actual victim. And worse, I think he knows it. (Let’s see if he believes the woman who wrote the article I posted.)

I’m profoundly disappointed how many people are happily buying into the “if you’re not a perfect victim it didn’t happen” story. But I’m learning a lot about some of you, I guess.

[Melkerson]

@R.C

Since I’m here, here’s an article with accounts of Reade telling people about it at the time, that also addresses the number of specious arguments people have made to “debunk” her.

Also, Chris’ use of “believe women” in his post here is vile, as is his use of “victim narrative” to describe an actual victim. And worse, I think he knows it. (Let’s see if he believes the woman who wrote the article I posted.)

I’m profoundly disappointed how many people are happily buying into the “if you’re not a perfect victim it didn’t happen” story. But I’m learning a lot about some of you, I guess.

Thanks for the link. I’ll have a look at it.

Can you quote the vile part in the @ChrisV post? I don’t see the words “believe women” in the post you linked.