I just made that up; the reality is I had to google a picture of Angela Davis just now and was surprised because this entire time I thought that was Erykah Badu.
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They found that expanding police forces leads to net decrease in deaths.
We find that expanding police personnel leads to reductions in serious crime. With respect to homicide, we find that every 10-17 officers hired abate one new homicide per year. In per capita terms the effects are approximately twice as large for Black victims. In short, larger police forces save lives and the lives saved are disproportionately Black lives.
They also found that expanded police forces lead to less index crimes - robberies, burglaries, assaults and so on - but that this decrease is mediated simply by increased police presence. Arrests for these crimes actually decline at the same time crime decreases.
When cities hire more police officers, there is a decline in âindexâ crimes â serious offenses like robberies, aggravated assaults and burglaries that have high social costs and sometimes lead to a prison spell. Critically, arrests for these types of crimes decline too. Why would a larger police force reduce serious crime while also making fewer arrests for that type of crime? The answer lies in the ability of a larger police force to deter offending from happening in the first place. For example, police force expansion leads to an especially large decline in arrests for street crimes like robbery and vehicle thefts â crimes for which more cops on the street might be a particularly effective deterrent. Because fewer crimes are committed, there are fewer people to arrest. Interestingly, the decline in index crime arrests is four to six times larger for Black civilians than whites, which suggests that investments in policing are unlikely to have contributed to the massive and racially disparate growth in the scale of incarceration in the United States during the last four decades.
They also found that increased police numbers increase the number of discretionary arrests and that these arrests increase in a racially biased manner:
Of course, prison sentences are not the only way in which investments in police may widen the net of the criminal justice system. The majority of arrests that police officers make are not for serious index crimes. Instead, most arrests are for lower-level âquality-of-lifeâ offenses, crimes that often do not have an identified victim but that lead to a criminal record and sometimes a jail sentence, each of which can substantially disrupt peopleâs lives. In some cases, these arrests, which typically involve a great deal of officer discretion, are thought to be a source of broken trust between police officers and citizens, particularly in communities that are predominantly low-income and Black. Do larger police forces lead to a proliferation of arrests for âquality-of-lifeâ offenses and is there a racial gradient to the effects? Our research suggests that the answer to both questions is yes, with each additional police officer hired making between seven and 22 additional arrests for such crimes. With respect to arrests for liquor law violations and drug possession, two leading arrest charges for which police usually have tremendous discretion, our research finds particularly large and racially disparate impacts, with arrests three times larger among Black civilians.
The answer here is to take discretionary powers away from the police. Stop using police for traffic stops. Decriminalise drug possession. Stop doing insane things like measuring police success by how many arrests they make.
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Well, nothing is gonna happen to those two, but the fact that theyâre even charged is progress.
In which a police officer kills a kid with mental health issues, is fired, and gets hired back in his hometown in Wyoming. The mom of the kid alerts the hometown what the cop did and a guy with mental health issues in the hometown finds out and tells his mom, that guy will probably kill me.
And then the cop does
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Fuck the police, but also FUCK âsubscription law enforcement services.â
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A Citizen spokesperson told Motherboard that "LAPS offers a personal rapid response service that we are testing internally with employees as a small test. For example, if someone would like an escort to walk them home late at night, they can request this service.
Like this response was workshopped to be the most innocuous problem to solve. Guys itâs just like the campus police walking a coed to her car at night!
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Fuck the police unions.
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Meh, like this seems like a pretty common (or should be common) employment thing. If management wants to fire someone, they need to get the paperwork in so they donât hang a decision over someone forever otherwise it becomes a de facto fire at will situation.
Broward Circuit Judge Keathan Frink concluded that arbitrators last year were correct in ruling that the fired Broward County deputies, Brian Miller and Joshua Stambaugh, should get their jobs back, with back pay plus other benefits, the Sun Sentinel reported. That includes accrued sick and vacation time, overtime and off-duty detail pay, among other benefits that they would have been paid had they not been fired.
One arbitrator had ruled in September that Broward Sheriff Gregory Tony acted 13 days too late when he fired deputy Stambaugh in 2019 for his conduct during the February 2018 massacre at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School. The shooting left 17 dead.
State law says discipline against law enforcement officers must occur within 180 days of an investigationâs completion. Another arbitrator reinstated Miller last May, saying Tony had missed that deadline by two days.
Chicago police and government kept trying to hang the increased crime rate on the elimination of cash bail. The problem? The stats didnât back them up and leaked emails from a hack shows that they knew it and kept saying it anyways
About 10 days later, then-Deputy Mayor for Public Safety Susan Lee emailed some of her colleagues, alerting them that a group of other public officials had taken issue with the mayor and superintendent âattributing violence to the people bonding outâ of jail, referring to the process in which people accused of crimes can pay money to be released from jail if a judge finds they would not be a threat to public safety.
Lee noted that the group had data showing that âvery few folks who bond out actually commit violent offenses with a gun.â
Lee wrote in the email that she knew there were âconcerns about the quality of this data from some,â but she also wrote that the Chicago Police Department was invited to review the data, but that review ânever happened.â
Despite Leeâs concerns, and the available data, the talking point persisted.
A year later, police Superintendent David Brown got up in front of reporters and repeated the familiar refrain.
âElectronic monitoring and low bond amounts given to offenders endangers our residents and flies in the face of the hard work our police officers put in on a daily basis to take them off the streets,â Brown said. âI will continue to bring attention to the sheer number of repeat offenders who are given little to no jail time and low bonds and ⌠go on to commit more crimes.â
By that point, the emails show, city officials were scrambling to find evidence that would justify Lightfoot and Brownâs claims, but their efforts were largely unsuccessful.
One week before Brown made his comments, in an email thread spurred by a question from Crainâs Chicago Business columnist Greg Hinz, the mayorâs office and CPD were able to find only two examples of bail decisions leading to new gun crimes.
On top of that, Pat Mullane, a top mayoral spokesman at the time, admitted to colleagues that one of the two examples was âkind of weak.â But he said the city needed to provide them âso the [superintendent] doesnât look like heâs pointing the finger.â
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This always rings as âterrorized people stay inline more often.â
I am like okay but so what. So allegedly crime goes down because police terrorize entire populations into compliance? Is that a goal that is to be applauded?
I prefer to go for people appreciating a force designed to serve the community for serving the community.
Reports telling me minorities benefit more are fundamentally racist and hate supporting as all get out.
Itâs like a study finding that women talk back less to their husbands when it is completely legal for the husband to beat them at any time for any reason.
The end result is all that matters.
If we put all black people in prison the crime rate in black communities would be zero. These reports are just a step down this same path. It also does nothing to deal with the significant issues with police actions creating more criminals.
Pretty sure I saw that 20/20 Dateline 48 hours end up in Rape.
While the data does say that increased police presence leads to more discretionary interactions with the community, the idea that this constitutes âterrorizingâ is spin that youâre injecting. The data says police presence is net-valuable and polls of minorities agree with this. For example, a 2020 Gallup poll had 61% of Black Americans wanting police presence in their area to stay the same, with the rest equally split between wanting less presence (19%) or more presence (20%). White Americans were, no surprises, more likely to support police (71% same, 17% more) but still, 81% of Black Americans do not want less police presence. The straightforward way to interpret this plus the data is that police presence in an area is net-positive, despite its downsides, and that the community knows it.
The fact that you establish something as bad doesnât prove that the right thing to do is get rid of it, which is sort of the point of the thread. The title isnât âIs the state of policing in America bad?â because thereâs universal agreement on that. Itâs often the case in politics that the choice is between several bad options. For example, democracy - a bad way to run a country, but itâs not obvious that thereâs any better ways to do it.
The data says that discretionary incidents are what are racially applied and a lot of shooting incidents start with trivial interactions. So find ways to limit police contact.
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not all policing is terrorizing, but increased presence together with military-style tactical raids sends a somewhat different message. everyone connected to a wrongful drug bust will be forever triggered by seeing just a simple patrol officer at dusk.
not to mention that it continues a culture in which cops act knowing that overwhelming physical and judicial power is their backup.
Itâs like, itâs not easy to square the fact that we (yes, we) want to abolish the police because theyâre all a bunch of fucking criminals with this rhetorical notion that criminals arenât a thing.
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It is not measuring the tactics police use that having a freezing of behavior in the community.
I am injecting it because itâs the truth and they left it out.
Do you think in America adding more police to minority areas makes people safer? Seriously? Is that the position you are defending?
They absolutely reach reduced statistics through terrorism not through community support and approval.
No the right thing to do is to rebuild a force of society assistance from the ground up where all current law enforcement are banned from participation. This will be an extremely narrowly focused group who will
Never make their own decisions to intervene and will have to be called in my a mental health agency or some other agency set up to actually protect people.
My point is any evidence that more policing in minority neighborhoods is actually better is police union propaganda. Itâs nonsense.
This isnât at you but I just keep seeing results like this thrown out in defense of police and itâs nonsense.
Fuck the police and fuck federal agents too. Not sure if this goes here but sort of related.
This country should have an inquiry on this phenomenon and how involved the FBI has been in mass shootings. I obviously donât follow the right wing line about crisis actors and bullshit but there has been reporting on the FBIs encouragement of âterroristsâ and its only talked about how they egged on the potential âterroristâ when he doesnât go thru with the plot
https://twitter.com/boltzmannbooty/status/1394796172255039488?s=21
There definitely seems to be a pattern with a few of these cases
https://twitter.com/boltzmannbooty/status/1387144285565464580?s=21
https://twitter.com/boltzmannbooty/status/1387450907344916482?s=21
https://twitter.com/boltzmannbooty/status/1387456108034469890?s=21
A few articles regarding some of these FBI tactics
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lol at giving cops more money for any kind of training
https://twitter.com/samtlevin/status/1400948262815690752?s=21
https://twitter.com/samtlevin/status/1400949146010349571?s=21
https://twitter.com/samtlevin/status/1400949288876724226?s=21
https://twitter.com/samtlevin/status/1400949896958464003?s=21
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Cop shoots his wife. Isnât fired. Quits because he is being investigated. Begs state cop to give him back his personal gun that he used while on duty. State cop gives it back to him in a parking lot. Guy goes and kills his wife with gun.
Yeah glad we have cops solving crimes and making the world a safer place!
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Yeah these stings are way too common. Undoubtedly some have ended up with civilians dying while the feds disappear. How frequently that happens we may never know.