“Black lives matter” doesn’t mean “white lives don’t matter”. You really have to twist the words to get there.
“Abolish/Defund the police” actually means “Abolish/Defund the police”.
That’s the difference.
Zimmermans cannot beat and shoot innocent peaceful people right in front of huge crowds, have the crowd do nothing to stop them out of well founded fear and then have immunity.
Belize more dangerous than El Salvador, Honduras, and Guatemala in 1985 sure sounds like utter bullshit.
Explain the point of saying “all lives matter” when one hears “Black lives matter”.
They intentionally misunderstand “Black Lives Matter” as “Only Black Lives Matter” when it means “Black Lives Matter, Too”.
Belize more dangerous than El Salvador, Honduras, and Guatemala in 1985 sure sounds like utter bullshit.
For getting stuck up while doing tourist things, yes. For being Indigina in the highlands, obviously not.
You don’t know what you’re talking about.
USA#1 has .0021 law enforcement officers per person.
Belize has .0028 law enforcement officers per person.
This explains why Belize is so much safer than the US, with only 36.69 homicides per 100,000 vs the US’s 4.9
JFC I was talking about muggings of tourists 35 years ago, not murders of locals today. You understand that a knife culture can have a low murder rate, but lots of stick ups? And that a lot can change in 35 years?
Did Belize have billions and billions of dollars to repurpose for programs and safety nets that reduced the need to mug people?
I don’t follow. I have no idea what today’s rate is for strong armed robbery, nor what the murder rate has to do with mugging.
All three of you went to great pains to misconstrue what I wrote.
Nor do you address the underlying point, which is that if you suddenly shut down policing, the results will not be pretty and your program will completely lose credibility.
So they understood it as “white lives don’t matter”?
You didn’t go to Belize.
Yes, and this wasn’t my point.
You didn’t go to Belize.
SFW.
People on the road talk and share stories. There were loads of gringo lefties about. I followed the lead of most people I talked to and avoided Belize while traveling alone.
You mugs have gotten mighty surly since last time I was here.
I bussed alone to the heavily militarized Salvadoran town of La Union. It had sandbagged intersections with testy kids with M-16s, roped off army-only blocks, and there caught a motorized dugout canoe to Nicaragua.
And you think I imagined Belize’s reputation. Stop being shitbags.
For those of you privileged enough to contemplate no police, as if the withering away of the state and full communism were in grasp, here’s what a good police force is like.
You’ve read in recent years about all the Central Americans fleeing violence and sky high murder rates that are 90% unsolved. The countries named are always El Salvador, Guatemala, and Honduras. Why not Nicaragua? Just as poor. Just as much PTSD.
The difference is a professional police force, which has been retained since the Sandinista days. (My info is 2014, I don’t know how it measures up now.)
Very fine article about the benefits of a professional force:
Nicaraguans, safe at home, feel little reason to flee to U.S.
“Nicaraguan officials credit a community-oriented style of policing that puts officers on beats across the country, talking constantly with the citizenry.”
“You see it day by day. One or two police officers going door to door just to visit, asking about the situation in the neighborhood,”
Thinking you can abolish police is lunacy and will never get traction. The point is to gain civilian control over a necessary public service, just like the water system.
dunno if posted, but chicago had the most violent day in 60 years. 18 murders in 24 hours–that abolish the police thing to me is like the anti vaccination movement. People forgot why they exist. (this doesn’t change some of the points of course, but abolish is simply flat out stupid) Defund can only work with specifics. (article basically said the cops weren’t showing up (I guess they’re also protesting) so the bad people just did whatever the fuck they wanted, which I’ll just bluntly say it, that’s worse than the cops)
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I have mentioned before that I have a friend who used to be a cop who left the force for basically the same reason as mentioned in the story. He was disciplined for not shooting a person holding a knife.
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Will read later, but 
the byline of Officer A. Cab
And some people in this thread actually do seem to want to abolish the police so the confusion seems merited.
Ok but bad political messaging like “abolish the police” doesn’t become good because it is confrontational.
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Maybe I’m just high right now, but with the MSM discussing “Defund the Police” in serious terms (versus how they treat M4A and other Bernie goals), I’m wondering if the seemingly extreme nature of the concept could jerk the Overton window left to the point where “only” achieving major police reforms will be considered the conservative end of the spectrum.
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It depends on what your definition of good is. I don’t consider allowing white moderates to feel comfortable to be a good thing.
Which politicians are using the abolish the police slogan?