64% of Black people not saying they oppose cutting police funding is pretty strong. When was this poll done? Let’s see where that’s at in a week.
Also, that along side 75% of white people opposing cuts sure makes that whole thing were police are there to oppress Black people a pretty convincing story.
I’m by no means an expert of public policy, but I think all we need to abolish the police is get the cops to go after opioids users like they do for other drugs and they’ll vote to defund the police within a week.
So yeah we need to learn to be crafty and clever.
Be like Dalton Trumbo. The end of that clip sums it up “The radical may fight with the purity of Jesus, but the rich guy wins with the cunning of Satan.”
We need catchy tag lines that penetrate with stupid out of touch white people. That’s one thing we need. We also need a set of policies that look moderate but are secretly radical af and will make huge impacts.
The right does this shit all the time. “Right to work” sounds great and ties into propaganda really well, and the impacts are basically fatal to private sector union activity. Especially any form of new union organizing.
If there was ever a moment in time that demanded a multiple left leaning equivalents to “right to work” it’s surely 2020. We have our backs to the wall and we have to figure out how to an awful lot of progress done in a very short time, or it’s curtains for this iteration of human civilization and possibly the whole species. There are a whole bunch of debates we’re busy framing as either/or where we desperately need to be brainstorming for a way to get both.
Why is it so hard to have more like her in politics :(
Because talented people have options, and politics sucks. Especially in the US.
Both parties in the US suck. Politics in the US sucks. There are only a handful of places in the US where she could have won as high an office as Representative and at least up until recently it’s been hard for anyone not supported directly by one of the parties to get the kind of money and fame that she has.
It was more of a whine than an actual question but boy you guys like explaining.
Kind of astonishing to consider the the morning product of the AOCbot compared to the Trumpbot.
It seems like most the people here are giving advice on marketing to the activists on the street fighting for this for years. Like Nancy Pelosi and Joe Biden will never say defund the police and most of the activists (BLM, reform the block, etc) will not change this “slogan” because they do want to defund and abolish the police. This is a grassroots movement mostly pushed by younger black activists so yeah all of you tut-tutting about marketing to them, they really don’t give a fuck. Go talk to Deray and the corporate “activist” about this marketing shit
And the kneeling during the football game wasn’t even backed by some democrats. Nancy said “I respect the flag, and I respect the 1st amendment, that’s all I’ll say” when asked about Kap while it was happening, hell she doesn’t even support BLM. They won’t use this marketing to get us to the goals these activists want, they’ll use it to water down all of their demands and not get us anywhere because they don’t care about any of the activists since that’s not where they get their money or power from
I underrate you pretty often because of your Israeliness - foreign country and English not your first language.
I bet professionalize police polls better than abolish/defund police. I really like the idea of putting onerous restrictions on who can be a cop or prison guard. Raise the qualifications until departments are forced to have smaller, higher quality police forces.
No fuck the racist goons. The current generation of cops gets purged. We can sneak all kinds of shit into the qualifications list. The words need to just not say ‘we’re getting rid of all the current cops because we can’t risk having the virus that is current cop culture continue to exist’.
Sounds like you’re advocating “de-militarizing the police” which happens to be a much more strongly supported position than “defund the police” and also much more easy to defend from attacks that one is compromising public safety (actually makes it easier to argue that police violence can be reduced without affecting their effectiveness).
“community defense”
Come on. You are an organizer, right? Things like community defense surge during a special moment, then they dwindle. So to have consistent community defense, you have to pay people. That brings on the set of problems we struggle with now – accountability of institutions. You’ll still have police, just renamed Lake Street Guardians.
In 1985 I traveled through El Salvador, Guatemala, and Nicaragua for nine months during intense civil war. I skipped Belize. It had a reputation of full-scale muggings because it barely had a police force.
I’m for all the dramatic refashioning of the police being discussed, but not abolishment. It’s a non-starter, and also dead wrong. Minneapolis is talking about firing the whole damn force and starting anew. That may be the best choice. But no police? That quickly will become Zimmerman rule – even less accountability than we have now.
Choosing policy goals based upon what’s most popular within the current Overton window is a recipe for incrementalism that leads nowhere.
Let’s say activists go your route and pursue “professionalizing police”. The politicians then obviously pass legislation that increases police funding in order to do the professionalizing, the extra training and beauracracy has little effect(much like past reforms), and now the politicians can say “look we did what you asked, now shut up.”
On the other hand, “defund the police” leads to a simple metric that the public can understand for whether action towards the goal of better allocating resources for our communities has occurred.
^^^^^^ it never gets old
No… you choose your policy goals based on what you want to do and then you find an appealing but very misleading name for it that is within the overton window. And you don’t say the quiet part out loud if you can avoid it.
Have a quiet part is what I’m saying. The quiet part isn’t a failure of conservative politics, it’s actually how they managed to get almost their entire whackadoodle ideology enacted.
