How much of this is ssc remains to be seen, but every single objection on jan 6 did get shot down at like an 80 to 95% clip. My naive read is supreme court and most in congress want some levels of “hey this is totally legit” to go with their skullduggery.
Now if it comes down to one state with a 1k vote lead, were fucked.
Heh, I was going to say that the garbage man thing doesn’t really make sense compared to, say, coming out wearing a garbage bag, but if there’s one thing Trump is good at its branding and there’s no way he’s wearing a garbage bag.
Trump attempted to do it in states where the vote tallies were against him. Having a big fucking board that says Kamala won a state by 2-3% will be much tougher to challenge.
What is a Garbage Man if not a Leader of Garbage?
You should read the article in question - they are postulating specifically that replacing electors is not needed in that scenario. So what happened 4 years ago is irrelevant.
Again the current Speaker of the House implicitly admitted to that they have this worked out and going through with it if needed. He thinks it might work. If you know he is wrong you might want to send him a quick email and save everyone a bunch of trouble.
Even if, say, Kamala wins most of the swing states and is totally safe, but GOP tries not sending electors from one state as sort of a trial balloon, Dems need to fight tooth and nail to make sure it doesn’t stand. Even if it winds up meaning nothing in this election because Kamala easily wins more than 50% of the EVs cast, it sets up a precedent that future elections are gonna be a total free-for-all.
I think the difference between 2020 and today is that in 2020 while folks like Roberts, Kavanaugh, McConnell, etc preferred that Trump beat Biden, they also thought that there was a silver lining in Trump losing and being discarded to the dustbin of history.
Now, they have fully internalized that the party of McCain is dead and the R party has been completely and wholly Trumpified. So it’s a binary choice between Trumpism and the dirty libs for the foreseeable future. As a result, expect them to continue to act in a much more partisan/pro-Trump manner.
Well yes, of course they should! Non-Democrats should fight it as well lol. It took a few generations but these nimrods have finally read the Constitution and realize it says nothing about voting for president. The goal here is to get back to just having gerrymandered state legislatures appoint the president as the founders intended. I don’t know what a post-Trump landscape will look like, but I don’t expect the Republican party to drop this line anytime soon. It’s a winner imo.
First we should start referring to this “refuse to certify in order to game the electoral college” plan as a coup, because that’s definitely what it is.
I’m no coup expert, but it seems like the military is pretty key. How willing will the leaders of the military be to use/threaten force to prevent a coup? How willing will the members of the military be to follow orders that could involve the use or threat of force against American citizens?
The people, and I’m including myself here, are not rising up in violent revolution. The only real collective power we have is to call a general strike, and I don’t think even that is realistic.
The dumb thing about the Biden garbage comment was that he wasn’t actually calling Trump supporters garbage. It was just him being old and not speaking clearly. It was his now usual pattern of stumbling over his words and switching thoughts mid-sentence. But everyone runs with it and here we are.
He hasn’t confirmed that they plan on doing this, he made a vague statement in response to Trump’s vague hint. I’m sure these guys have been plotting all kinds of election fuckery nonstop for the last four year, but there’s zero evidence that it’s this particular thing.
From a legal perspective though, this part of the article is really weak:
And this is where Speaker Johnson becomes critical to the whole “secret” plan. In 2020, Nancy Pelosi was speaker of the House. If states had tried to get cute and not submit their electors by the December 11 deadline, Pelosi would just have extended the deadline. But Speaker Johnson surely won’t. If electors are not submitted by December 11, he’ll likely declare the process “over” and say that the electors appointed by that date are the only ones allowed to vote for president.
I won’t say this is complete nonsense, but it doesn’t make any sense at all to me. The Speaker of the House doesn’t decide when electors vote, that’s determined by statute. The VP is the one who actually counts the votes. The Supreme Courts resolves challenges about election results. Johnson plays very little role.
But the political point here is that if Wisconsin goes for Biden by 100k votes, but the Supreme Court says that actually they don’t get to vote, that is not going to convince Biden to hand the keys over to Trump. January 6 was scary because Trump was in charge of the DC National Guard, and he could have them stand aside while the Oath Keepers and the Proud Boys enacted paramilitary violence and gave him some fig leaf for holding on to power. He can’t bully his way into power with just a fig leaf.
There’s definitely huge risk that there are genuinely close calls and that the partisan Supreme Court puts it thumb heavily on the scale to tilt a narrow election into a Trump victory. But any scheme that revolves around Johnson is just going to be a bunch of transparently illegitimate BS.
Better articles to read:
This thread is making me feel nauseous.
I mean yeah it seems obvious. But I wouldn’t put it past the Dems to half-ass it, eventually let it slide and basically be like “Well you got away with it this time, but we have the WH so surely we’ll be able to fix this via legislation sometime in the next four years” (Narrator: They didn’t, and there was never a Democratic president ever again).
But the economy!
Just like the 60 bullshit lawsuits that were defeated last election, if a state refuses to certify they will be challenged in court and lose.
…… I hope
Latest poll from gallup regardging enthusiasm .
Dems more enthused now than 2008
Couldn’t Kamala do a reverse-Pence and refuse to certify the new slate of electors and just declare herself the new President? The cloud of lawnmowers in orbit would blot out the sun!
There are ‘remedies’ that won’t be explored until it looks like it might actually happen. These types of election people are in way over their heads. It will be a FAAFO situation for them, especially if it’s not close.
Electoral Count Reform and Presidential Transition Improvement Act of 2022 - Wikipedia.
“The law clarifies that the vice president’s role in the counting of the electoral votes is “solely ministerial,” with no power to “determine, accept, reject, or otherwise adjudicate or resolve disputes over the proper list of electors, the validity of electors, or the votes of electors.””
So, even if you believe Pence had the power to not certify votes in the previous election, the 2022 law is pretty clear that Harris has to stay out of it. I don’t expect her to go against that. And, if she did, even liberal judges might have a hard time siding with her.
To me it sounded like he was calling her advisors garbage.
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