2024 US Presidential Election: First Polls Close in 24 Hours


John Leguizamo.

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22nd according to 538

Looked into them for 5 minutes. They look like 2nd world techbro polling firm that conducts polls “using its proprietary data collection technology and post-stratification algorithms.” Looks like high-volume autodialing polls with a fair amount of algorithmic “inference”. I would like to see their “likely voter” model.

Not gonna watch this, but they do seem real, if maybe letting their freak flag fly.

https://twitter.com/NateSilver538/status/1851399896860971450

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I don’t know who will win, but my take from all the polling is that the race will end up not being close at all. Expecting a 64 or 72 level landslide in favor of one of the two big candidates.

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idk if I have posted this before, but the two most likely swing state (AZ, GA, NC, MI, PA, WI, NV) outcomes in Nate Silver’s simulations are R sweep and D sweep, in that order.

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https://x.com/Politics_Polls/status/1851413189423939620?ref_src=twsrc^google|twcamp^serp|twgr^tweet

Lol Robinson

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Honestly anyone talking about the polls and probabilities over and over needs to go to gulag

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So this

Harris is probably going to win, but if she doesn’t Trump will. :leolol:

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This proves the existence of swing voters.

What does herding mean?

Basically all the pollsters make their final polls close so that they theoretically won’t be way off either way, unless of course it’s not close

According to ChrisV it’s still an exploitable thing, so I doubt it’s this.

Putting a thumb on the scale so that your poll is in line with the consensus, or just not publishing outlier polls. In 2020, an ABC News/WaPo poll in Wisconsin got the result Biden +17, which was way out of line with consensus. Biden ultimately won the state by only 0.6%. Some outlets would have just quietly buried that poll, or fudged the numbers to bring it more into line with consensus. The tendency to do this is herding.

It’s more like foundational now, it won’t generally win by itself but any further analysis of totals you do will just be wrong without it. That’s why I think the comparison to home field advantage is apt, that’s not “exploitable” but it had sure better be included in any modelling.

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Thanks. The reason I went with “exploitable” is because in the example you gave, I was the only one who knew about HFA. Exploitable is what I’d generally call that. But it sounds like it has transitioned from exploitable to foundational.

I guess my confusion is summed up by the question “where is trump getting new votes from?”

I’m not convinced that there’s a meaningful group that didn’t vote for him in 2020 but is now motivated to do so. Like, they weren’t sure in 2020 but everything he’s done since that loss has persuaded them he’s the guy? Nah.

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It’s unlikely either candidate will approach the turnout numbers of 2020 (unless they do), so technically they’ll probably both ‘lose’ a lot of votes from 2020 to now.

He got 11 million more votes in 2020 than in 2016. Where did those new votes come from?

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