2024 Election POST MORTEM

You want to attack me, fine, but under that same logic, explain why Spoonamore would make this claim.

Sorry I wasn’t trying to attack you.

Who the heck is Spoonamore? Google just gives me a bunch of random doctors.

“Spoonamore hacker” returns this:

https://electionlawblog.org/?p=147216

“Meta’s Threads is ‘overrun’ with liberal election fraud conspiracies”

Over the past several days, Meta’s Threads has become inundated with liberal election fraud conspiracies.

The conspiracies range from skepticism about vote tallies in key swing states, to allegations of a criminal coverup by Biden to force the Democrats to lose in order to (somehow eventually?) take down Trump, to claims of Russian interference with voting technology.

One pervasive conspiracy as of Saturday morning centered around Elon Musk, alleging that the billionaire hacked the election through his Starlink satellite internet company, which conspiracy theorists claim is part of the voting machine supply chain. (This is false, and ironically Musk himself pushed a debunked Dominion voting machine conspiracy theory at a Trump rally last month).

The rampant election fraud conspiracies on Threads show how Meta’s efforts to downrank and minimize journalistic content on the app have helped to create a vacuum in which misinformation thrives unchecked and users are unable to find reliable, accurately reported news. The conspiracies also show how centrist liberals and mainstream Democrats have grown increasingly conspiratorial and unable to distinguish fact from fiction in a chaotic and broken information ecosystem….

Posts pushing false claims about the 2024 election on Threads have collectively reached thousands of people.

In May, Meta rolled out the ability for our third-party fact-checking partners to review and rate false content on Threads. Previously, the company matched similarly false content on Threads based on what was fact-checked on Facebook and Instagram.

Threads users said that the app began recommending election denial content and suggesting that users search the name Stephen Spoonamore on Friday. Spoonamore is a technologist who has claimed that previous elections were hacked and been referred to as the “liberal Q.”

“This is a must-read from Stephen Spoonamore, an expert on identifying election hacking. And we were hacked,” one user posted. ….

FWIW I can see one state somehow potentially pulling some kind of tabulation trickery off. I’ve often been suspicious of Ohio. But Trump made gains pretty much everywhere. Every state is different. There’s no way the hackers are that good.

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Why would you not search his full name?

Stephen Spoonamore

You didn’t give me his full name. You just gave me Spoonamore like that’s some massively known name.

There’s not much smoke or fire in any of these.

I guess this is how Democrats are supposed to fight back in kind against the Rs disinfo machine.

What this does do is provide grist for right-wingers to create false equivalences that Dems do election denial too.

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They recite the propaganda so perfectly.

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These are all good examples of how people make decisions with their emotions, then look for reasons for justify it. The endless commercials gave them plenty of reasons for what they were probably going to do anyway.

For the last 4 years, if you were at all in or adjacent to the FoxNews ecosystem, which includes Sinclair local stations, it’s just a given that the world is on fire, the economy is shit, and and the country is headed in a terrible direction. That’s your base truth that isn’t even up for debate.

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Spoonamore is the guy who did a lot of implementation of credit card fraud systems. He’s been making rigged voting machine claims since 2004, sometimes in sworn affidavits to courts.

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Cody touched on something that is likely a culprit for today about 5 months ago.

Its incredible that something as fundamentally stupid as Gamergate has a lasting effect like it does. 18-23 year old males were right in the center of a years long campaign against women, the media, and various levels of politics in their formative years. Is it any surprise a lot of them took their first vote and threw it against a woman?

Wut. That already happened. I’m supposed to accept the red wave but also pretend the grist wasn’t already there?

It’s also incompatible with the idea “they are too stupid to execute” since it means that Trump screaming interference in 2016, when he won, and doing state audits on voting demographics means they were 8 years ahead with the subterfuge.

When your lunatic conspiracy is predicated on a long term plan of any kind by Trump you know you have lost the plot.

The raw vote gap between Bernie and Kamala is almost exactly equal to the number of extra votes received by “other” party candidates in his race.

You, seemingly, have no understanding of how sociopathic manipulators operate.

They don’t have to be intelligent in that way. They simply have to have a nihilistic understanding of human behavior, something Trump and Elon have in spades, and be in the right place at the right time.

Your individualism is why you make this mistake.

My individualism! I see what you did there. Call back to yesterday. Rotfl.

This has been a very bad couple days for your posting record. I suggest you take a break. You are literally posting about massive international conspiracies, spanning a decade, and requiring significant coordination and secrecy from hundreds or thousands of people. All led by one Donald Trump a dude who has never sent an email.

If you haven’t already ascertained that I have zero fucks to give about “posting record” then I really don’t know what to say. It’s obvious.

Trump and Elon are positioned to influence humanity in a way that few, throughout history, have done. You keep trotting out the same, tired argument that, they, as individuals, are not capable of that when that is not what is being asserted.

I’m sure you were aware that Musk was communicating with Putin on a regular basis, the past two years, before the story broke right?

One could easily surmise that they only need to be surrounded by capable people and have no morals to accomplish this feat, while someone who worships the idea of individual intelligence might not see it, because then they would have to admit that they were fooled by someone “dumber” than themselves.

Kind of like rural voters could not admit that they were wrong about climate change, Trumpism, etc…

But go ahead and fox news it up with the character assassination if that is what you need to cope.

Dude, you’re being super aggro toward Clovis and I’m not really sure why.

You are making a very common logical fallacy because you can’t understand how your country could legitimately vote in Trump. I’m sure that is why you lashed out at our conversation yesterday with your odd music comments. You didn’t like the idea there is something wrong with American culture so it’s easier to believe it was some huge conspiracy.

The logical fallacy you are making is going from a true statement that something is possible to the conclusion it was probable.

Of course it’s possible there was a huge decades long conspiracy to vote in Trump last week but it by no reasonable measure probable and all the evidence right now points against it being true.

Elon did not have a master plan. He made the offer for Twitter as a joke and then did everything to try to back out of it. He was clearly just clicking buttons and then at some point realized since he was stuck with Twitter he could use it; I’m not even sure at first the plan was to help Trump but to troll out at his enemies (his trans daughter and all the people mocking him).

The sad fact is that despite being pretty incompetent - Trump, Elon, etc. won this election - which is more scary, people just like what Trump is selling.

edit: I think there was a decent chance that if Biden/Harris had just massaged Elon’s ego aggressively, he would have used Twitter to help Dems. I’m not saying they should have, but I don’t think he has any strong affinity towards Trump.

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To be fair, I was being pretty snotty to him.

Sounds like a good way to get 90% male support for MAGA.